guess which one it is on the video
Istanbul but it's only partly in europe
You should visit Istanbul.
i have only been out of the country once and it was to turkey, so maybe that's why I'm such a cheater (kappa)
i would go there but i dont trust muslims
that's just as stupid as saying I don't trust christians
You dont have any argument about Muslims and you have bad thinks about Muslims. Do you have any Muslim friend or have you ever talked with any Muslim before?
"You dont have any argument about Muslims" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
not to mention about the situation in France, germany etc + shitload of videos showing how muslims behave in europe toward non muslim people
How do you know are they muslim?
Also i can say i'm christian and I can do bad things :)
You just dont want to see us in the world.
You dont trust muslims but you want to see structures made by Muslims.
ngz u played with turkish players(in t. and LsH) they were terrorists too?
its islam that's the issue with extremism, 1.8 billion Muslims and not all of them are going to kill you. I can feel why u're worried about it but u r more likely to die from a car crash than Muslim terrorism but that doesn't mean u shudn't be worried for your safety because it's a genuine issue :D
but Islam ruins culture in some communities, that's why you should be pro-immigration and that's why I like Poland. They don't take no shit
ngz u played with turkish players(in t. and LsH) they were terrorists too? - u don't understand. I never said that all of the muslims are bad people. I know some muslims that seem to be cool guys. The point is - i don't know how to differ the bad ones and the good ones irl. How can i know what's in their heads? What are they up to? They could living amongst us at peace, but they don't want to respect our culture, laws etc. I don't want to make the same mistakes as France, Germany and other countries. I don't Sharia law in my country - and that's exactly what they demand from goverment of western countries.
For example - the saudi arabian government allows christians to come to the country, but the law prevents them from practicing their religion and its expression.
But hey, how's that? We allow you to build mosquesm and do everything you want in europe. Not quite fair, isn't it?
I don't want* Sharia law in my country
i dont want sharia too bro thats why turkey is the only secular country in the islam world.. btw i am atheist but i got alotta muslim friends which they are cool guys
stupid arguments, shows a link of "islamist" terrorist attacks and the first one appear as the victim of those attacks is mecca which is the direction of our prayer when we pray which is in saudi arabia which you guys seem butthurt about their law being too islamic but hey that doesn't add up does it? what does that mean then? that these attacks that are done by those who miss understood islam, Islam never forced to kill other innocent people, and if you give me 1 ayah "verse" from quran that says the opposide I'm ready to quit Islam right now, those ISIS motherfuckers who think they're the ones who are always right and never wrong and think they're the real muslims and others are infidels "even me they would call me an infidel", those fake muslims doesn't show who the real muslims are, there are 1.7 billion muslims in the world and we all know its unfair to accuse them of being terorrist just because of the act of those fake muslims who barely make 1% of the whole religion, I can go on and on but this is gtat which means wherever I go with this argument and no matter how I prove that muslims aren't related to those terrorist at the end that won't change your or my beliefs, as the quran says ("To You Your Religion and To Me Mine") I end my argument.
"Islam never forced to kill other innocent people, and if you give me 1 ayah "verse" from quran that says the opposide I'm ready to quit Islam right now"
Quran 9:5 - And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
I don't blame you fox for leaving islam in such a young age knowing nothing but ignorance, alright you took this verse out of context which is an easy way to go to shut my mouth and evade arguments, but here's my explanation to this ayah, if you go back to 9:1 you'll find out that there way a peace treaty between the muslims and the mushrkeen "polytheists" which was actually brought by the mushrkeen themselves, in 9:4 you'll find that it is the explanation to the 9:5 which says that if this peace treaty ends, the 9:5 happens which is in the battlefield, have you ever seen peace in the battelfield? have you ever seen people standing still doing nothing getting slaughtered? well the answer is obvious and you know and I know what happens in the battelfield, so you took those words out of context which I expect you'll get like 50 verses and I'l go on and on to tell you read the verses the came before it but hey fuck islam right? I left islam already I can't be bothered to read quran huh? and yeah please before you say "hey but they sitll looking to kill the muskreen no matter what" and in that I say you'll find your answer in 9:6 it says if the enemy seek peace not only just let them go, deliver him to his place of safety, at the end, I'm just a normal muslim but before you look into mroe verses to take out of context please read the verses the came prior and after and understand them, if you're still confused you can always ask those who are called sheikh's, and don't take the answer from 1 sheikh if you're truly looking for the truth or explanations, don't pick whatever answer you like and leave the one u don't, stick to the truth if you're seeking for it
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
- SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME.
I didn't provide any insight on the verse, how would you know what my view would be? My intention was just to provide a verse from the Quran that gives permission to murder against other groups, which it clearly states (I just didn't provide any condition to the verse since there are several answers, yours is one in many)
Here is the next verse for 'context':
That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
so if you oppose Allah you are considered guilty and are subject to punishment?
You can never kill 'innocents' if you label all who oppose the 'authority' to be non-innocent, so you are right in one sense but you failed to 'THINK' and look outside from your own ideology. I don't blame you for sticking with Islam at such a young age, being indoctrinated in a theocracy at the benefit of the state must have been tough for you. :D
Reason, why I'm not going to counter your view on that verse, is because it's pointless. A book created to fit the ideal world for an illiterate warlord pedophile rapist. Literally in every story, Muhammad will be the 'Kim Jong Um' who is the saviour of the world.
For example, the battle of Khaibar. Where Muhammad and his army invaded a small Jewish village who refused to convert to Islam or accept them as the greater religion. The Jew army were slaughtered, the women were captured as sex slaves, including Saffiyah who lost her husband in the war, and her family, and was captured as a captive then raped then forced to convert and marry Muhammad.
If you had to ask a Muslim about the battle of Khaibar, they're response would typically be, "The Jews were being evil and provocative and planned to attack the Muslims. So Muhammad went and liberated the village and saved Saffiyah who dreamt about him and him resucing her. The Jews are evil, the Muslims saved the day." Despite Islam being the strongest army in Saudi, they were still the 'victims' and a small Jewish village was a huge threat which had to be eliminated, and the women had to be sex slaves because why not Allah allowed it so it's cool(!)
Another example, Muhammad one day saw his daughter-in-law half naked. Found her hot. But it's wrong and immoral. Oh no, there's a new revelation by God! God said your allowed to marry your daughter-in-law if your son isn't your blood son and he divorced her. I'll let you draw the conclusion in the end on what happened...
"I don't blame you fox for leaving islam in such a young age knowing nothing but ignorance"
I didn't leave Islam because of that verse. I gave up on religion as a whole. You believe in an entity with no substantial evidence. You refuse to accept reason, so Evolution is false although it's proven. But you believe that a man flew to heaven on a winged horse, spoken to ants and trees, because it's in a book.
I'm not sure I'm the ignorant one here bro
fox this is an improvement
Lets go reply be reply, and this is going to be my last reply, lets talk about the battle of khayber, oh wait you already answered by your self but stated a false fact just to spice little things up, no sir if you do a simple research muslims were outnumberd so I don't know what you're on about muslims being stronger so I don't know where you got that information from, do your research carefully next time, oh and btw I loved how you said she was raped when she simply got married to muhammad, so appearently when a woman gets married after her husband dies that's rape y'll stay woke!!!, into the next reply cuz I seriously can't take this anymore, I'm in no place to debate yet I can still prove most of your points wrong which means a muslims with a lot more knowledge can simply debunk all of your points not only some of them like I'm doing, in the next reply you stated that muhammad saw zainab half-naked, I would love to get any prove fromsahih al bukhari w muslim or any any any reliable source of information of this false and disrespectful thing that you've just said stated, yeah muhammad married her because he had it in one of his many visions, that's his one of miracles, he's the god's messenger those visions are messages from god, you don't believe it its alright but I simply do and his vision's cause was to let the muslims know that its halal to marry the one who were divorced in that case, but saying he saw her half naked? I simply can stop the argument here and leave simply because you're being ignorant like I said and not only that but also a kid, into the next reply, what's your problem exactly? I don't get it? if god created this whole world why can't his messenger have miracles? there's totally no argument in here, its like saying I don't believe in christianity well yeah I don't but a christian can't argue about me not believing in his religion but I can argue about some miss understandings or points but here I simply can say the verse "To You Your Religion and To Me Mine", and please no more of these disrespectful non-factual spicy stories, if you want to argue further please provide evidence from صحيح البخاري و مسلم (sahih al bukhari wa muslim) other than that I have nothing to debate nor argue about, my first comment was all about proving that terrorisim has nothing to do with islam, and I still stick to it because its simply unfair to accuse like I said almost 2 billion muslims of the act of those who barely make 1% out of this 2 billion muslims, salute.
I have trouble replying to that seriously... Rather than showing sympathy that a small Jewish village was invaded and destroyed, you're more sympathetic towards the invaders because they were "outnumbered"
Ik you're aware that the primary objective of Muslims were to invade and destroy the Jewish village culture and spread Islam, but you'd rather be in denial and delude yourself into thinking that this is the power of Allah spreading Islam ;d
Rather than being sympathetic towards a woman who lost her husband and family and home and being forced to change religion and marry the man who chose to ruin her life. You're most likely thinking she had accepted the man who ruined her life, accepted to sleep with him after ruining her village and murdering her family. How illogical bro...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeQu8eiTABk - Here is about Muhammad and Zaynab story. He'll provide all the sources you desire. But you'll attempt to rationalise it with "Oh he had a vision by God" how convenient lol
I don't believe in miracles from Islam and Christianity because both religion are flawed, just like millions of other man-made religion. I don't have an issue with people believing in religion if that's what you're saying, but I do have an issue with religion that refuses to use reason and logic and because it offends/disputes their religion, for example not teaching Evolution in Muslim countries because it disputes the Adam and Eve story. Truth is important, which we both could agree on. That's why it's important to put away religious views and values and embrace secularism rather than living like a cave-man who blindly follows a belief with no evidence
I may have over exaggerated a bit, if I did my bad. I haven't read the Qur'an for years and it's dusty on my shelf and it'll remain that way. However, the concept of my argument remains the same. One or two minor flaws doesn't justify the attrocities by Muhammad and the other Muslims.
I can go on and on but where that will get meor you? totally nowhere, like I said if you're truly looking for the truth you wouldn't try to debate a normal muslim like me who I admit I lack information but even with my lack of information I can still debunk most of theses points easily, but hey like I said I can hook you up with a good debate that may lead you to somewhere other than debating in gtat ^__^
And like I said above, it's pointless to debate on the Qur'an verses and stories since it's been altered to make Muhammad and the Muslims the Victor and the rest as 'evil'
There are several sects and views on Islam, so it'll be impossible to figure out whose speculation is the least correct.
Similar case in the Bible, so you're right that it'll get me nowhere, hence why I said it's pointless and only focus solely on facts and Science which is a universal language which religion could never achieve to be.
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